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hello and welcome to the second edition

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of the point of convergence podcast

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this week we're going to be talking

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about richard dolan's new book

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titled the alien agendas a speculative

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analysis of those visiting earth

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for those of you not so familiar with

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richard he's been a major figure in

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ufology for decades now

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ever since the 90s when he discovered

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sort of by accident that ufos seemed to

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be a part of us history

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even though it wasn't officially

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acknowledged so he began a decades-long

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journey into

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trying to see that acknowledgement

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happen only in more recent years has he

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really delved into the

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question of what intelligence or

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intelligences

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might be behind these ufos and

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this leads him to this book where he

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actually uh does some speculation about

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who might be involved

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now there are six groups that he

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identifies in this book we'll be going

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through each one of them

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discuss what the group is like what the

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evidence suggests

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might be their agenda etc the first

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an ancient and advanced human group so

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that's actually comprised of two groups

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a species that visited the earth

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a long time ago or perhaps was already

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here that's something we'll address

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and then some modification they did to

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those humans at that time

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and so now the group might be comprised

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of this initial alien species as well as

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some humans who were engineered

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back then the second group is the mantid

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slash gray group and this would involve

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not only the mantids but also the short

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grays and the tall grays

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the third group he identifies is the

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reptilian group

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those are the large lizard-like looking

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creatures that are quite imposing for

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many people

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the fourth group is less talked about he

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refers them as evens

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and these are a separate short humanoid

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group

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he also identifies one or more

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additional groups that's sort of like

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everyone else that we haven't addressed

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already that some of the

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evidence seems to suggest there are some

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other groups involved as well

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and number six is the potential

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like what we might discuss around

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so let's start with the first one an

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ancient and advanced human group

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now richard writes in terms of attitude

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and actions there doesn't appear to be

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any hostility coming from this group

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the approach seems to have been to

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standoffishly monitor

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human activity and here richard

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points to the outstanding work of

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someone named dr colleen clements who

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has since

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passed she was a friend of richards for

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about a decade i think

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she worked both at the university of

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rochester and the rochester institute of

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technology

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and this is what richard says about her

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quote dr colleen clements argued that

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humans are a hybrid race

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our species she suggested was probably

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genetically enhanced by

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extraterrestrials

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sometime around 40 thousand years ago

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she based her case on several factors

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the genetic argument comes down to

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something known as the d allele

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of our microcephaly gene the

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microcephaly gene turns out to be

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crucial for the development and size of

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genes have parts of them known as

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alleles and the particular allele known

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as the deal allele

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of that gene is very important to our

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story to the story of modern human

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so let me touch uh on the high points of

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this hypothesis

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the idea is that at some point

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interbreeding was responsible for this d

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which came into our species at some

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and that's what richard does um and so

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interbreeding is responsible for this

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where does this come from where do we

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be either the neanderthals

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or a group that was later identified

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the denisovians what's interesting is

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uh so far we have not found that

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gene uh in either of those groups um

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both of them and yet we have not found

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so that means perhaps it didn't come

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that has not been identified yet

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suggesting and hypothesizing is this

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could be an extraterrestrial source

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and that this happened about 40 000

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years ago so that's the genetic part

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notice we also said key to this

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hypothesis is the mythological component

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this is what this is about so even prior

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to the gilgamesh much

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epic much older than that there was a

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uh truth story a creation story

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about a skydiver god known as air leak

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khan and the idea is that this

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figure a god-like figure came from the

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sky and was responsible for

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this gift to human beings and so that

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might be the mythological

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interpretation of this event that

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let's move on to the second major group

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that richard identifies in his book

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the alien agendas this is the mantid

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grey group and interestingly richard has

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grouped these together and there's a

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he he sees the evidence of suggesting

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these groups actually do work together

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and so their agenda therefore is uh in

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the mantid slash grey group and just to

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subgroup as a small graze and then we

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have the tall graves

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who often look to be in charge this is

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what richard has to say

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this group seems interplanetary and to

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as are their behaviors and psychology

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this group has to be considered

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dangerous some researchers don't see

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this group as malevolent

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secrecy

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suspicious at the very least

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richard continues but these actions or

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by these actions the mantid slash grey

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group appears to be opportunistically

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that is developing scientifically at an

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at least currently that's an easy

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united states have knowledge of them

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quote he said some reachers don't see

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this group as malevolent but any group

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that engages in a massive program with

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we are an incredibly self-destructive

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and we pose a danger to ourselves and

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potentially to others and we'll touch on

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to a degree that we haven't in our

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when we were using spears and clubs to

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or a few people from that tribe now we

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have thermonuclear weapons

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of uh just an absolutely insane degree

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that could blow up millions and millions

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justifiable case of intervention

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what richard has to say

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quote this is a hard group to figure out

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like the gray slash mantid group

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they seem to be recent arrivals and like

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them

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they have access to exceptional

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technology

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the experience of danny's bedroom

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encounter this is a reference that he

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makes in the book to someone who had an

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encounter with one of these

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reptilians the experience of danny's

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bedroom encounter with one of these

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beings shows that

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they can somehow phase into and out of

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our reality

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by everything that we can determine the

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grays and mantids share this capability

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one conclusion is that they may be

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interdimensional in some way

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but the reality is that we don't really

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understand how that actually works

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and it could be that they exist at

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another place as some scientists put it

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a theoretical brain that is b r a and e

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world slightly removed from our own

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which somehow they have learned how to

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navigate

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between the two humans continuing

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continuing

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richard says we don't have the science

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that fully explains how this could be

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but it would help to explain many of the

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events that otherwise seem inexplicable

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the story of ramon the u.s marine who

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saw intimidating reptilians working with

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the us military

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back in the 1960s is one of many that

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indicate communication and collaboration

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between reptilians

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and elements of the u.s government the

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reason why any government would want to

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maintain

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tight secrecy over this is easy to

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understand

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stories of abductions by reptilians do

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exist

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but are not as common as those that

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include graves

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they can be frightening and it's not

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clear that they are friendly

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now there's a lot to swallow with this

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reptilian group

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some people just off hand rejected

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this group because they just look so

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bizarre and people have a hard time

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picturing these giant lizards walking

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around

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that look kind of humanoid muscular

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but scaly lizard-like skin uh

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very intimidating sounds like bad

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science fiction to some people

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and yet there are many many accounts

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that attest to people having experiences

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with this group

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so we have to look into it and then

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there's the issue of the us

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military's involvement what is that

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about we'll touch on that later as well

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for now let's move on to the next group

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that is this

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the separate short humanoid group known

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as the evens

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we'll just touch on this briefly because

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there's less information about this

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group

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richard writes to start with there may

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not be a single type of these beings

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the physical varieties reported seem to

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preclude that

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a number of these entities were reported

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as looking very similar to grays

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with large bald heads and generally

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short of stature

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only the lack of large black eyes

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prevents us from lumping them into the

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category of short grays

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yet they seem to be a distinct group

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from the graves

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other variations have been reported

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including some that seem dubious

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one example is the very hairy short

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humanoids reported during

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the wave of sightings in south america

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in nineteen fifty four

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also if they really are separate from

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the grays it's difficult to ascertain

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their agenda or motives

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stories of evens living as guests of the

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us government exist

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going right back to crash retrieval

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stories of the 1940s and 1950s

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these may or may not be grey aliens

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there is a lot of smoke here

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but that smoke makes it very difficult

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to see clearly

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moving on from the evens group which as

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richard pointed out

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is difficult to pin down uh his fifth

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grouping

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is sort of a meta group uh one or more

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additional groups that have

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have been reported people had

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experiences with

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but they don't fit the above any of the

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above

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then finally there's this sixth group

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this is the trickster intelligence

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this is what richard has to say about

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this group

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quote we have only had a limited

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discussion of this possibility

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another way i sometimes characterize

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this is as a meta intelligence

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by this i mean there appears at times to

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be an intelligence

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operating in our world that is of such a

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high order that it seems to be prescient

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and richard continues it operates in

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ways that seem uncanny and many moves

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ahead of us

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at every step the phenomena recorded at

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the skinwalker ranch

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some of the most baffling 4-1-1 missing

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persons cases

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investigated by david pallidz or the

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synchronicities reported by

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mike clelland in his messenger's books

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speak to this

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many of these cases make it appear that

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there is a crossover between some of the

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ufo phenomenon

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with other parts of our reality

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including the mysteries of consciousness

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so just as we discussed last week here

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richard is pointing to

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various elements of high strangeness

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different categories of high strangeness

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that

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might somehow all be connected points of

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convergence

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he mentioned consciousness dimensions

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time death

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and the afterlife now what i would say

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about this trickster intelligence

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is that uh first of all it doesn't

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appear to be extraterrestrial

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uh there's no sign that it's you know

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tied to that necessarily

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uh that doesn't mean it's not the case

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but it doesn't seem to be that way

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there are uh there's evidence that going

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far back into human history

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even indian tribes in the area of

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skinwalker ranch

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reported seeing this entity in entities

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far back in history and that's where the

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name originally came from

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and while it's the case that usually

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technology

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is involved in somehow interacting with

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us

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on earth perhaps from some other place

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it also occurs to me

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that there may be groups that have an

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evolutionary

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ability to what i call dimension hop

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they just even at a an early point in

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their history might be able to

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transverse the barriers between what we

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consider dimensions or different worlds

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and that might be what's happening with

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this entity

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slash entities and this may also

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indicate they're not necessarily

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that advanced morally ethically and

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such and such but they nevertheless have

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the ability to

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dimension hob to interact with us in

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bizarre and uncanny ways

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now that we've identified the six major

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groups that richard points to the six

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major agendas that can be identified

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let's jump to a discussion of the broad

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strokes the groups

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that are supposedly here to help versus

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those maybe you who are here to harm

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and some people see the same group

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differently and richard acknowledges

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that

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regarding the here to help perspective

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this is what richard has to say

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judging from the types of evidence and

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claims that exist among people with

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alleged

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alien contact it seems possible that

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there are aliens who want to help us

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of course we could ask how could they

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really help us

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that is very likely easier said than

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done given the fact that we have a large

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number of ufo sighting reports

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declassified military documents and

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private accounts of ufo events

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near nuclear locations it surely seems

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that

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someone is concerned about our nuclear

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technology

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moreover if you care to believe the many

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messages that abductees and contactees

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tell us

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these beings believe that humans are

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making a wreck of the world

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via nuclear dangers warfare

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environmental degradation

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low levels of consciousness and that we

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are about to experience

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quote unquote a great change this

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message comes through repeatedly

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not only from the human looking beings

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but also from the graves and other types

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now again to clarify richard makes it

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clear in his book that he thinks the

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evidence

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of ancient aliens is not that of graves

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or mantids he thinks both of these

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groups are more recently on the scene

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within the last century or so or at

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least since the beginning of the 20th

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century

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and i would agree with what richard has

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to say here and i'd add that

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while reports regarding possible

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interactions with ufos from ancient

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history do exist

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richard makes a compelling data backed

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case suggesting there has been a massive

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uptick in interactions perhaps even in a

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number of groups here since the dawn of

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the atomic age

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again those two newer groups being at

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least anyway

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so that covers the broad strokes

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regarding the perspective

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that some of these groups are here to

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help that even the graves and mantids

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are actually here to help

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and we've touched on some of the reasons

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why that might be the case

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the huge uptick in experiences sightings

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since the dawn of the atomic aids for

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instance

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of course there is an alternate

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perspective an opposing perspective

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that sees this completely differently

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this group of people are convinced that

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the graves and mantids and groups such

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as them

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have ill will towards human beings and

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and richard definitely makes note of

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this perspective as well

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and he discusses david jacobs planetary

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takeover hypothesis

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and jacobs is the probably the most

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well-known proponent of this idea that

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graves and matthews are here not to help

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but to harm

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and to see their own goals met and

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his hypothesis just to clarify for those

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who are not familiar with his work

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is based on his own regressions that

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he's done of his clients

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he does hypnotic regressions on clients

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who claim to have been abducted by

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aliens

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and then draws conclusions based on the

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data that he feels he's gathered over

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time

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this is what richard has to say about

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this kind of perspective

578
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the best known exponent of the alien

579
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,159
hybrid idea is dr david jacobs

580
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,720
he boils down their program to two words

581
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:14,640
planetary takeover

582
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,960
jacobs came to this conclusion he wrote

583
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,720
due to the consistency of the many

584
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:20,400
abductees he worked with

585
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,240
many of whom described ongoing

586
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:24,320
relationships with the human looking

587
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,039
hybrids

588
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:28,000
whom he termed hubris over the last few

589
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,200
decades

590
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,679
as he has seen it the point is to create

591
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,159
ever more human-looking hybrids through

592
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,640
an ongoing process of refinement

593
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,400
getting the end result to look almost

594
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,480
perfectly human while enabling the

595
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:42,480
hybrid to retain the core mental

596
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:43,200
features

597
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,240
of the alien race the main feature

598
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:48,640
seemingly seems to be telepathy and the

599
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:49,360
ability to

600
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,720
exert mind control over ordinary humans

601
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:55,039
his conclusion this is jacobs he's

602
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,159
referring to

603
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:58,480
is that the abduction process is common

604
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,840
and worldwide

605
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,320
moreover it is being undertaken with the

606
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,880
greatest level of stealth possible

607
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,960
abductees report that their hybrid

608
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:08,480
hubert controllers

609
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,039
have sometimes hinted to them of an

610
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,039
impending great change

611
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,039
although the specifics of this change

612
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:16,720
are never provided

613
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:19,600
jacobs has interpreted it as a takeover

614
00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:21,600
of our world by stealth

615
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,350
now i have some of my own perspectives

616
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,000
on jacob's work and jacob's conclusions

617
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,000
but before we get to that let's look at

618
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,240
what richard has to say

619
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:38,159
quote for all the power of jacob's

620
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:39,280
research and thesis

621
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:42,400
my own conclusion is that he may well be

622
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,200
correct

623
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,440
but incomplete in describing the bigger

624
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,400
picture

625
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,200
by jacob's own research true hubrids are

626
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:50,799
a very recent development

627
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,640
definitely not earlier than toward the

628
00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:54,559
close of the 20th century

629
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,520
maybe the 1980s at the earliest but

630
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,679
there are many cases of perfectly human

631
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,760
looking beings engaged in these flying

632
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,760
saucers long before

633
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,919
what accounts for them i don't think

634
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:07,840
this was something jacobs really ever

635
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:10,559
asked no matter how great a researcher

636
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,280
he may be

637
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:13,919
it is so easy to overlook inconvenient

638
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,870
richard's making a really important

639
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,039
point here and i made a very similar

640
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:23,200
point last week in the inaugural

641
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,840
edition of this podcast we must make

642
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,559
account for

643
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,120
all of the data not just the segments of

644
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,240
the data that support

645
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,039
our predetermined hypotheses and by the

646
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,840
way that absolutely goes for me too

647
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,840
i have certain leanings at this point to

648
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,880
be sure

649
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,960
the centrality of consciousness to both

650
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:42,799
understanding the nature of reality

651
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,600
and of the phenomenon for instance but i

652
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,840
will continue to look as honestly as i

653
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:49,679
can at the evidence we garner

654
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,159
all of it and there is no doubt that

655
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,159
while it is not the majority

656
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,240
there is a segment of experiencers who

657
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,240
report negative interactions

658
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,080
and this is even after having had time

659
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,320
to process and reevaluate the experience

660
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,960
over years i must make account for that

661
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,840
just as anyone else must with their

662
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,149
now regarding david jacobs work and the

663
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,600
conclusions he's drawn

664
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,320
after having worked with clients and

665
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,440
doing regressions

666
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:20,080
for years and years and years i would

667
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,280
just add

668
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:23,760
to the discussion the figure of barbara

669
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:24,640
lamb

670
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,640
barbara lam is mentioned in in richard's

671
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,880
book though somewhat in passing

672
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,960
but for the record though it's not

673
00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:32,880
stated starkly in the book

674
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,880
it should be noted that lamb came to

675
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,039
precisely the opposite conclusions

676
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:39,840
as jacobs after considering her body of

677
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,799
work

678
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:43,200
and just to be clear she's done just as

679
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,880
many if not more regressions than

680
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,159
jacob's

681
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:48,240
including on dolan's own wife tracy for

682
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,360
instance and that

683
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:50,960
that experience actually discussed in

684
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,400
the book

685
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:54,720
i once saw an interview with barbara lam

686
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,520
where she

687
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,880
mentioned that she had reached out to

688
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:59,039
jacobs in order to facilitate a shared

689
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,600
review

690
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,159
of their respective data but that jacobs

691
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,640
didn't respond and that's exactly what

692
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,000
i'm talking about

693
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,400
uh it doesn't do us any justice uh

694
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:10,480
doesn't do this cause this subject this

695
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,279
inquiry

696
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,360
any justice if we don't consider all the

697
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:14,400
evidence

698
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,919
and you would think that jacobs would at

699
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,600
least be interested

700
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,919
in why barbara lamb would have come to

701
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:21,440
such different conclusions

702
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,200
after having done just as many if not

703
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,279
more regressions than him

704
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,120
if a researcher is really open to the

705
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,960
data and not committed to a

706
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,159
predetermined position

707
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:32,080
they should always be willing to review

708
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,549
now dolan's book touches on other

709
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,559
aspects of the alien

710
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,279
history on earth as well though we don't

711
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,600
have the time to go into all of those

712
00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:47,120
let's jump to some of dolan's

713
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,000
conclusions in a section called cover-up

714
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,919
competition and collusion this is what

715
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,919
dolan has to say

716
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:56,400
quote whoever and whatever these aliens

717
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,279
are

718
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,279
wherever they have ultimately come from

719
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,279
it is evident that they are both human

720
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,520
and non-human in appearance they don't

721
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,039
necessarily

722
00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:07,360
share the same agenda judging by the

723
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,200
number of sightings worldwide

724
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,960
even after accounting for cases of

725
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:12,400
mistaken identity

726
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:15,039
they are here in large numbers this

727
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,000
means they

728
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,240
have some sort of active infrastructure

729
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,760
which in turn probably has the

730
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:20,880
protection

731
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,789
now regarding the fact that many of the

732
00:25:31,990 --> 00:25:28,960
key groups the manitous the greys

733
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:32,000
etc are here only recently

734
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,520
when you think about it just a blink of

735
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,480
an eye in terms of earth history

736
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:39,279
this is what dolan has to say quote but

737
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,159
to my mind

738
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,480
the idea of a low-key alien presence for

739
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,960
most of our history makes perfect sense

740
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:46,720
the plain fact is that for most of our

741
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,520
history we were not that interesting

742
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,960
however we might well have been

743
00:25:55,990 --> 00:25:53,200
monitored for our future potential

744
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,000
consider human society back then a

745
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:58,159
society utilizing primitive muscle power

746
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,279
technology

747
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,120
one that only invented writing in the

748
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,440
wheel a mere six thousand years ago

749
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,200
and which only developed science a

750
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,120
couple of centuries ago

751
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,360
anywhere on the planet human society was

752
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:11,039
one in which people did the muscle work

753
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,080
themselves

754
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:14,080
or at most had animals pulling wooden

755
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,950
now i would add that while i see dolan's

756
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,000
point here

757
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,679
the problem i see with this kind of

758
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,360
reasoning in particular

759
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:27,600
is that it applies human psychology to

760
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,960
an alien intelligence

761
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,640
and we just have no idea whether or not

762
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,480
that would really apply

763
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,480
we just don't know what they would find

764
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,720
quote unquote interesting

765
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,559
in fact there are some who have stated

766
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,159
that it is human emotion

767
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,320
and drama that some intelligences

768
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,320
actually feed on

769
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,840
and there has certainly been plenty of

770
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:47,360
that to go around over the course of

771
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:53,029
but richard's point about the monumental

772
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:54,799
shift humanity has undergone

773
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:58,000
over the last 100 years is well taken

774
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,840
just think about it in this span of

775
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,440
about a hundred years

776
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,919
we've gone from horses and buggies to

777
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,120
aircraft

778
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,320
to spacecraft to the imminent plans for

779
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,960
colonization of mars

780
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:13,200
i also agree that there seems to have

781
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,400
been an explosion of

782
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,039
interest in interaction since the dawn

783
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,720
of the atomic age

784
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,799
and the interest ufo intelligence or

785
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,760
intelligences

786
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:23,600
has in our nuclear facilities and

787
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:24,799
arsenal is

788
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:33,430
now why would they be so interested in

789
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,720
our nuclear arsenal

790
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:37,279
and our nuclear technologies for our own

791
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,000
benefit

792
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,320
to prevent us from blowing up ourselves

793
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:42,799
quite possibly that's a huge part of it

794
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:44,000
but there might be more than that

795
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,480
involved there has been some discussion

796
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:48,240
amongst those who claim to have been in

797
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,039
contact with non-human intelligence

798
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,640
that nuclear explosions of this

799
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,080
magnitude

800
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:56,240
have ripple effects interdimensionally

801
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:57,200
even

802
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,760
nuclear weapons pose to ourselves

803
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:03,679
they may pose a new and daunting threat

804
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,149
now some may find this idea laughable

805
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,760
how would nuclear explosions

806
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:14,320
have ripple effects interdimensionally

807
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,679
perhaps it's not even that

808
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,760
perhaps it's just about the larger

809
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,360
biosphere on earth that we just don't

810
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,200
fully understand yet

811
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,600
uh it's very clear there seems to be

812
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:25,200
evidence that there are other species

813
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,919
here

814
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:27,840
ones that can be stealthy but

815
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,679
nevertheless here

816
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:31,360
and as richard has pointed out they may

817
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:34,880
even live underground subterranean

818
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,279
bases for instance and of course groups

819
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:39,039
like that would be very concerned with

820
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,230
so i've covered much of richard's

821
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,480
perspectives on these alien agendas

822
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,320
and i've given some response to those

823
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:50,480
perspectives as well

824
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,760
something else i wanted to touch on

825
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,520
before we close

826
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:55,679
richard writes uh regarding the

827
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,039
reptilians quote

828
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,720
but they are presumably looking out for

829
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,880
their own interests as all species can

830
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,320
be expected to do

831
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,440
unquote now i actually take issue with

832
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,960
this

833
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,679
my perspective is that evolution leads

834
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,600
to a sense of oneness

835
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,919
again the working hypothesis i'm working

836
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:14,960
with is

837
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,840
that this oneness doctrine this shared

838
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:18,880
consciousness

839
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,640
reality

840
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,080
is something that i think some of these

841
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:26,480
other species understand more than we do

842
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,760
and that this perspective

843
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:31,760
leads to ever-expanding circles of

844
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,799
inclusion

845
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,799
so that meanness quote-unquote and

846
00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,120
weakness

847
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,760
expands so that they don't see us and

848
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,880
them the same that

849
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,679
the same way that we do harming you is

850
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:45,120
harming me in other words is the

851
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:46,399
perspective i think many of these

852
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,200
species

853
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:49,200
are working with i think that this is

854
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,559
what happens as

855
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:53,360
the evolutionary process unfolds if you

856
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:55,039
even look at human history

857
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,559
it's very clear that that's been the

858
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,159
case going from

859
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,039
me centric perspectives to tribal to

860
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:02,880
nation states

861
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:06,000
to now more planetary perspectives

862
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,269
and i think we'll bring it to a close

863
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,440
here this is a huge topic

864
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,440
it's a lot for richard to cover in one

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book and he's done a fantastic job

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i encourage you to get a hold of the

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book and read it for yourself come to

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your own conclusions

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interact with the different perspectives

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and the data

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and we'll continue to do the same here

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on the podcasts as we roll them out week

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to week

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trying to engage with all the data all

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the perspectives

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so what do you think about this book let

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me know in the comments if you've read

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it

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that brings us the close of this episode

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i hope you've enjoyed this

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hope you found it informative whether

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you've agreed with what i said or

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disagreed let's keep engaging let's keep

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the conversation going that's the whole

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point behind the point of convergence

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podcast

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if you'd like to reach out to me

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directly you can contact me at

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xoacademian gmail.com

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i'd be happy to hear from anybody and i

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hope you'll tune in next week as we seek

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to engage yet again with this enigmatic

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topic

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till then from deep in the blue ridge

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mountains of north carolina